lørdag den 24. juli 2010

98,84,0,0 Press Conference



The proposal named; 98,84,0,0 is reffering to the CMYK.

On behalf of Sune Rieper, Anders Krogdal & Jakob Ingemansson
from now on referred to as; RAI

Dear friends and members of Überspass.
Friday was held a press conference at 2300 Superior Studios, about the Überspass 3rd subMaterial Congress 2010.

As our workshop in London is approaching, we felt that a common denominator was needed; A umbrella structure that could host and kick-start a range of investigations as well as a theoretical fond.

Since we are 6 people in a very small room during 10 days (/m2/day), we will have to take into consideration that its hard for all of us to be in the room and work at the same time. However we find it most interesting to use the gallery in- and exterior as our main territory. By this meaning to take advantage of the gallery and center the experience of what we do in this place.

Our main idea is not braking news; its about finding a frame in which we will be able to work all of us at the same time with the same main goal, but still retain the possibilities to group up in different constellations and collaborations during the stint. Lets call it THE UMBRELLA STRUCTURE!

As Yves Klein had been discussed on the blog, he came to center a discussion between RAI, on how to frame the investigations. Also since we all are more or less aware of his work, but none of us being an expert, it would also frame a study of his work. On one hand its as simple as blue, on the other hand its dealing with tendencies in the post war/modern society in the 60s. There is a lot of stuff to study.

YK was a part of Nouveau Realisme, a group that he founded with 8 other french artists 2 years before he died (34yo) in 1962. The group was dissolved in 1970. Is there a some group dynamics that we also are a part of there?

Picking up YK, we will have to read some stuff all of us, and maybe even start every morning with introductions prepared individually - nothing like a few well chosen words and a juice to quicken the blood and start the day!

98,84,0,0 is the CMYK code for a color similar to Yves Klein Blue, however YKB is outside the gamut of computer displays (and printers...?). Hereby, already the title of the pressconference is implying that it's not a matter of revisiting Yves Klein, rather to use his work as a starting point of a number of detours referring back and forth.



Yves Klein did through sketches, photography and sculpture investigate what he called Air Architecture, an architecture of the meeting of the elements. Further more he investigated The Void.



Klein's Void is a nirvana-like state that is void of worldly influences; a neutral zone where one is inspired to pay attention to ones own sensibilities, and to "reality" as opposed to "representation". Klein presented his work in forms that were recognized as art—paintings, a book, a musical composition—but then would take away the expected content of that form (paintings without pictures, a book without words, a musical composition without in fact composition) leaving only a shell, as it were. In this way he tried to create for the audience his "Zones of Immaterial Pictorial Sensibility". Instead of representing objects in a subjective, artistic way, Klein wanted his subjects to be represented by their imprint: the image of their absence. Klein's work strongly refers to a theoretical/arthistorical context as well as to philosophy/metaphysics and with his work he aimed to combine these. He tried to make his audience experience a state where an idea could simultaneously be "felt" as well as "understood" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Klein.

We feel that it is a lot of material and potential for an umbrella structure within this. One example:

The Malmö Experiments
During a few sunny days in Malmö AI developed a tiny first relationship to the YKB. The first prototypes made in Malmö circles around an idea of a bleeding building, and was not from the beginning meant to be related to Yves Klein but rather rather to a kind of Andy Goldsworthy gone URBAN. Later conversations on YK made the link to one of his happenings in an empty gallery - only serving drinks. People were wondering what it was all about, but realized the day after, when discovering their blue urine, that they were porters of the artwork.











“I had left the visible, physical blue at the door, outside, in the street. The real blue was inside, the blue of the profundity of space, the blue of my kingdom, of our kingdom! ... the immaterialisation of blue, the coloured space that cannot be seen but which we impregnate ourselves with ... A space of blue sensibility within the frame of the white walls of the gallery.” - YK



Can we exhibit an empty gallery, but load the rain gutters with blue color that will be released when the first rain hits London? Just like the next day urine that the drinks caused. This is just one idea, and we are sure that we will have many more great ideas, and that we will be able to turn many of the prev posted ideas into a beautiful brick in the 98,84,0,0 framework.

We hope you like the ideas. We believe that it will give us a good possibility to bring our 10-days group dynamic into something interesting. LET’S HAVE FUN!

Thursday 13 March 1952
A day is space
and so is a year
and an hour
and a second and a life.
Should we live by the year?
or the hour? or the day?
or the second?
I love space
and I feel immense
when I dream
of the infinitely great
and the infinitely small.
Equilibrium doesn’t exist in space
and yet it isn’t chaos!
That’s right,
I feel it,
it’s right
I want space.

- YK

41 kommentarer:

  1. I think it is time to coin the phrase CMYKB: deriving from the CMYK code of YKB, describing a metaphrase of a defined phenomen in new medium.

    SvarSlet
  2. Since we are architects of the new millennium I suppose we are allowed to play with words as we are pleased.

    Is:

    CMYKB = 3d*CMYK

    SvarSlet
  3. ok, what do the rest of us think about this? We're longing to get your comments and feedback.

    @Thais: Could you download this one: http://karagarga.net/details.php?id=50523 My ratio is not good enough at the moment...

    SvarSlet
  4. I too
    like the colour
    blue


    i find this a testament to what happens when heads get together. i really like the work and i want to discuss YK as well. is there perhaps a possibility of a second workshop before take-off?

    Tomorrow i am going to the library to pick up a song book by a 20th century working class poet. i will look for yves klein stuff when im there.

    SvarSlet
  5. Thank you for a wellorganised and informative pressconference. Long live RAI.

    Thums up for the umbrella structure I think it is an excellent idea, especially when its blue. I somehow find the thought of painting all our ideas in the colour of YKB very beautiful.

    I will in the coming days make a journey into the work of Yves Klein. I think I´m heading towards the Air Architecture and Void-parts, which have caught me immediate interest.
    I excpect to gather some samples and artefacts from that journey and bring them to London.

    SvarSlet
  6. @Magnus/All: I will work in Göteborg until the 15th of August, and have rather vauge plan until take-off from CPH the 18th. I don't know if there is a possible time frame for a second workshop? Are you flying from Copenhagen as well?

    @All: I think we are approaching a good-enough-worked out starting point for this workshop. But, using the 12 string guitarr as a metafor, we are still missing some strings.

    I think it we all should try to be a bit more active this period before taking off, to comment, research and post thoughts here on the blog. The sooner the strings are in tune, the more time we'll have to play.

    SvarSlet
  7. @Thais: I think all of the rest of us is awaiting some clarifications from you about sleeping-, eating- and other arrangements and about the gallery/workshop space and so on. The questions we posed earlier. I've understood that you have busy days, but now is the time to get that flour on the table to get the dough in the stove before the yeast gets beasted if you know what I'm saying..

    SvarSlet
  8. i have infact ordered my take-off ticket from oslo international, but seeing as i have some excess cash at the moment, i think it might be possible for me to order a new one-way ticket from copenhagen to london if arrangements were made for a pre-trip get-together, and fly out with you guys. I have a couple of projects going on at the moment, but im sure a couple of days could be squeezed in. let me know as soon as possible if there is a sincere interest in such an event. i would also have to organize sleeping arrangements in copenhagen.

    SvarSlet
  9. Hey Bodies.
    For the pre-workshop I have to say that I'm not really up for it - or let me put it in another way; I would be up for meeting up one evening with those of you who are in cph - but I'm planning on hopefully doing other exiting stuff for those days.

    I'm heading for Krakow, Poland, 5th-12th of august, so tomo I'll pop by the library at KARCH to see what I can find.

    I've just created a new document at google - thought it should be better than the blog to post reading material there - post it under you name and maybe give it some !!! and §§§ if you really like it - then the world should know about it!


    https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pxJ7YQQZ0gAnZw5Z4abV7mzfk8iQHRWL_RBSCeOxHH8&hl=en&authkey=CJHBlb8J

    SvarSlet
  10. @all
    sleeping arrangement can be at my place, though I'm thinking at the moment, that traveling time can be an issue, if we want the most out of the dough. I'm thinking that if we sleep at the gallery the time spent on various transportation mediums could be cut away and the low cooking could be more appreciated.
    I see my place more as a base outside, where, if needed, people can get rest, showers and other necessities, due to the fact that the exhibition is running for some small 10 days.

    ANother thing; i appreciate the work done and all the stuff posted is really great. the video puts the idea to an understandable level, where things makes more sense than words. I have downloaded the video about YK, and will post is ASAP somewhere out there.

    SvarSlet
  11. @thais does it mean that the exhibition is running only these 10 days - I would prefer that as I think our work has, and should have,
    a spoon full or two of ephemeral psyche.

    koolm can't wait gettin started - just couent beliv e!

    SvarSlet
  12. @anders+alles: Maybe we should consider it more as a workshop + an archive as an exhibition (but maybe only for ten days if I understand you right? we could have a public finissage in the end?). I think it makes more sense in my head, as I don't consider myself working as part of the exhibition. What are your thoughts upon this?

    @thais: great with your input and that you got the film, maybe we can see the film all together in london? i think your ideas on sleeping/cooking makes sense, so i guess it means that we should bring air mattresses? Is there a kitchen in the gallery space?

    SvarSlet
  13. I think considering it as a workshop for us selves is great. I'm up for the not so exhibition like attitude... (+ I don't see my self either as a 'part' of the exhibition)

    I think though, we have to give back something to the gallery since we are doing it there and not anywhere else; if I understand you right JI, that will happen through a fernisage at the end... so a kind of an EASA-model - working and exploring - then presenting.

    Concerning the group dynamics I think an EASA model is quite interesting imagining us all as tutors.

    Would be cool to kickstart the trip with a film screening somewhere in old London Town!

    SvarSlet
  14. Imagining as all as tuturs - maybe it is time to pick up Philips idea of a multihierarchical working method. I think one of the key factors on this workshop is formulating a inspiring method of responsibility distribution.

    We are 6 people - 10 days - 10 square meters. I will sleep on this.

    SvarSlet
  15. With the pre-workshop discussion in mind I would like to announce the possibility to have it in London. I believe the most of us is coming to the big L on the 18th and we have access to the gallery on the 20th. That leaves us with one day (klämdag in swedish) of discussion and perhaps do some sort of disposition of the workshop, finding (physical) material if we want that etc.
    Or as jakob says "formulating a inspiring method of responsibility distribution."- In addition to that I think that a method like that also should include some sort of documentation.

    SvarSlet
  16. @Jakob
    Well,I believe that we should see the exhibition already started. The blog is for me both research, as well as an introductory to our ideas and work, which then, in my eyes, is already a major part of the whole SHA-BAAANG!

    The EASA model and tutor aspect is interesting.

    The same with the the unexpected and blue.

    @Anders
    I agree with you. Us being a part of the exhibition, does not make any sense, if you tracfe back and see how the process has been until now. I believe we should look at with a bit of profesionalism and distance, if you know what i mean(?).

    I getting a bit ecxited(can i hide it?)(?)

    @Jacko
    I think the same as you, i'm sleeping on it

    SvarSlet
  17. @Philsy
    Sounds great. I see it as a get together and share all YK info we have gathered up to that point. Have beers and sleaky sandwiches. Think that could be the trigger!

    SvarSlet
  18. @ All

    The material published by the lawyer is at the moment being degisted. It leaves many idea stuck, and already having to see them blue makes them intriquing.

    SvarSlet
  19. @all

    do we have a colourrange within the blue clolour, or do we strictly stick to a very specific blue color code, meaning 98,84,0,0.This would of course mean that getting paint has to be from one specific place or brand??

    SvarSlet
  20. @all

    here are som interesting projects from a french dude

    http://www.julienberthier.org/Les-specialistes.html

    and another one

    http://www.julienberthier.org/article/no-print.html

    SvarSlet
  21. @ the color blue. I once had visited Fritz Haegs geodesic dome, where each triangle of the roof is painted in the color of the sky the day it was painted. Each triangle is also dated in text. A rather poetic archive of sky blue's...see:

    http://artanarki.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/01070.jpg

    @ Thais: I think what I try to say is that I don't know. It's hard to say. Maybe 98,84,0,0 is the starting point out of context. And what happens with is in site/situation is hard to say. Is that an answer? Is there an answer? Maybe the answer is...in the attempt.

    SvarSlet
  22. @ Thais: do you have contact with any materialsupply, is it anything to work with at the gallery, that includes powertools aswell?

    Are there presumtive patrons in the area?

    @ All: do we have a budget for things mentioned above?

    SvarSlet
  23. @all
    Jacko had i brilliant idea=, which was that we all chip in £50. This amount includes food and materials. Then we can go through skips and building sites for extra stuff!

    @philsy
    Material supply i believe we find and sweet-talk people that have leftovers...(?) Powertools i will look in to, because i don't believe that it is at the gallery.

    please make a comprehensive list of wishes for tools!

    SvarSlet
  24. @ all: maybe it's a good idea if we all bring a little bit of this, and a little bit off that. Kind off a FIRST-AID-WORKSHOP-KIT. Scissors, string, scotch, things to draw with and on and so on. So we don't have some things to start with and we don't waste money. DON'T BRING KNIVES IN YOUR CARRY-ON-LUGGAGE THOUGH.

    @ thais: is there a soundsystem/speakers in the gallery?

    SvarSlet
  25. @ all: It's hard to say who we are doing this (no)exibition for. The gallery, the neighbors, us selves. Maybe we should figure that out. I mean The Purpose. Is it only defined by our us, or do the gallery has some kind of specific expectations? (@: Thais)

    My brother asked me of the purpose, when I told him about 98,84,0,0.
    It was quit hard for me to define, and that scared me a bit. I think I said something about opening up YC and do an architectural detox, a refreshing urban blue spectacle.

    By the way I think it is a good idea to live the low budget style. Money will not make the idea better, but we also need to realize the idea = 50 money each.

    I am sitting in my boat writing this from an harbour in sweden - heading for Gôteborg. (Mr, Ingemansson?) In fact its pretty unusually that I have the opportunity to be connected to the www while sitting in my boat.

    I will be back in CPH the 16 th of August and then I will arrive in London the 20 th.

    I will follow the blogtalk as close as possible.

    Bluelove from Sune

    SvarSlet
  26. @: All: I will try to be aware of wrecks.... but they are so attractive:

    http://www.julienberthier.org/Love-love.html

    SvarSlet
  27. @ yall: Im in god damn Poland as we speak. I'll be back the 12th and for real hit the discussion. Ill think about the purpose of the workshop - also had a quite tough time explaining the idea. @Adam/jonas (sunes brothers) GO SE THE PRESS CONFERENCE!
    @sune - have the koolest trip with JEAN

    SvarSlet
  28. DER BLAUE REITER...was a group of artists from the...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Blaue_Reiter

    SvarSlet
  29. Considering the relationship to the gallery, it is really blurry to me as well. I have no idea if they expect anything from us or how they normally work. It would be nice to integrate them or their way of working somehow, but I think either Thais (sorry for being a bit tough at you at the moment, but it's hard for any of the rest to take this role) have to have a meeting with them to clear the situation, or we wait until we are there and check it out. I would prefer the first alternative though.

    Considering the purpose of the workshop: For me, the most interesting thing is to find out how and if it is possible to have a collaborative creative process for our geographicly indetermed platform, as well as seing what the outcome will be, and then how to present both the process and the outcome in the exhibition.

    I think we should embrace this moment, where we have neither clients or professors to satisfy. I think, by doing something we find really interesting, it will interest others as well.

    I am currently in Stockholm, heading for Karlskrona tomorrow and Göteborg on monday. Will you be around Sunisan?

    SvarSlet
  30. I think Jakob puts some words for me there. Until mid July i thought we would put up some kind of exhibition. Then as the days went shorter, and the nights longer, I started to think of our commitment in this; what do they expect? Would this end up being something worth exhibiting at all?

    Until Anything else is proofed, I see the exhibition as a ten-day stunt of some kind. That doesn't mean that we can't exhibit what we are doing, but as Jakob puts it quite well;

    "(...) to have a collaborative creative process for our geographicly indetermed platform, as well as seing what the outcome will be, and then how to present both the process and the outcome in the exhibition.

    Ive been thinking lately that we are not just a festival group - I don't think any of us thought of us as a festival group; I would claim that we somehow identify our selves more with "the idea of the platform" than with Arvika - though Arvika is the only real thing we have been doing (Ü1stSmC+Ü2ndSmC).

    What I want to say with this little detour is that we, as an idea of a geographically indetermed platform suddenly work; since it seems like we ended somewhere completely different from where we left the stage the last time.

    I believe we should embrace this strong will of the platform - also in Old L when we go there. Here I'm referring a little (back and forth) to all the great thoughts about group dynamics that some of you guys have been posting.
    So when JI talks about exhibiting both process and outcome I couldn't agree more.


    According to the discussion about purpose… which is hard to define and even harder to describe; I would formulate it like this:

    The ten days in London is a workshop held by Überspass. There is 6 tutors and 6 participants (here 6+6=6)
    The aim is to investigate YK + his work, and at the same time be "researching research" - in other words we use YK and the color blue as a medium trough which we investigate the idea of "the überspass platform going workshop" (it becomes a little long haired and meta-like now… and I'm not sure if it good or if it sucks).

    There is no real obligations towards the gallery other than doing our best to describe our process and research; and doesn't this process/research happen through tangible objects (such as bleeding building, blue printing printers, blue kaleidoscopic point of views) or lecture like discussions (such blue-screenings, blue city walk podcasts, blue juice cures) that can all be objectified through medias such as audio, video and blue-ray?

    SvarSlet
  31. @Anders, Jacko
    First of all i agree with both of your slight worries of how this project is going to be like. The worry, that we haven't got a "physical" object ready to present. Next is the worry about materials, tools etc.
    It is easy for me to say that we should in a way just embrace these things and, as anders so well puts it down(as he always does),
    "(...) to have a collaborative creative process for our geographicly indetermed platform, as well as seing what the outcome will be, and then how to present both the process and the outcome in the exhibition."

    This little quote says it all in my point of view. This is what we are doing and what we have been working and preparing for, either if its on this blog or our own little blog. At the moment the exhibition does not have a shape. It has a COLOUR and it has an INSPIRATION (YK). With these two elements, i believe that the foundation is settled to build, or whatever comes out of it, a project which through 6+6=6, for sure will end up with a meaty bone!

    @anders


    The ten days in London is a workshop held by Überspass. There is 6 tutors and 6 participants (here 6+6=6)
    The aim is to investigate YK + his work, and at the same time be "researching research" - in other words we use YK and the color blue as a medium trough which we investigate the idea of "the überspass platform going workshop"
    IN MY EYES, THIS SUMS UP THE PLATFORM AND PROJECT WE ARE DOING!
    (am i repeating someone)

    SvarSlet
  32. @Anders
    P.S. I will send this describtion to Merlin!

    SvarSlet
  33. @all

    here is the edited text which just now got send to Merlin

    "The ten days in London, Überspaß will be hosting a workshop.
    The workshop is made up of 6 tutors and 6 participants.
    We call it the 6+6=6 concept.
    The aim is to get a deaper insight in to the world of Yves Klein and the colour blue.
    Be researching research we set up a platform, where the 2 mediums, Yves Klein (YK) and the the colour blue will be interpreted and realised under the supervision of the 6+6=6.
    Through the mediums, we investigate the idea of "the Überspaß platform going workshop", which intentionally will end up with a very blue installation."

    SvarSlet
  34. @sune, all

    I really like whats going right now on the blog. This present discussion is very productive and, in my mind, brings our long and winding journey into an understandable `manifest´of what we want to do.
    So thank you Sune for your anxious (haha, joke) question.

    I totally agree with the proposed purpose and the urgency of our workshop. However I think we could be a little bit more specific when it comes to our research of the work of YK. And why it is interesting for us to use and "exhibit" his theories through our workshop...

    I have to break this post up into a time-indetermined one because a coming sailtrip in the swedish archipelago has already set sails. hmm

    To be continued

    SvarSlet
  35. I agree with you Philip, it would suit the project to be a little more precise on YK. Hopefully that will happen as we get closer.


    NEW! HOT! - add the things that you will bring to the Gallery.

    https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1pxJ7YQQZ0gAnZw5Z4abV7mzfk8iQHRWL_RBSCeOxHH8&hl=en&authkey=CJHBlb8J

    SvarSlet
  36. Great document you have created there MR Krogdal! I added "everyone should bring" as well as "it would be cool if someone brought". Feel free to add things to those lists.

    In the end of the document I also added a suggestion/sketch for an invitation for the gallery's homepage and facebookevent and so on. Feel free to comment on it!

    HOWEVER, I agree that we have to get more precise on some things concering YK and our purpose. But I also need some time to reflect on that, so I started this sidetrack in the meantime.

    SvarSlet
  37. "I think we should embrace this moment, where we have neither clients or professors to satisfy. I think, by doing something we find really interesting, it will interest others as well. "

    quoted for truth.

    SvarSlet
  38. @ Anders' comment about the Nouveau Réalisme movement

    I've been reading briefly about the Nouveau réalisme movement (also including Jean Tinguely), and I think they had some very relevant thoughts:

    "They declared that they had come together on the basis of a new and real awareness of their "collective singularity", meaning that they were together in spite of, or perhaps because of, their differences."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Realism

    SvarSlet